Arrogant Mosley

[blacktulip]

:)Well Mosley is now blowing off more hot air and the arrogance of the man just cant be beleived

He are some of his quotes and my views on them, I stress that these are my person thoughts only.

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"There is a quite a lot of money at stake for us but for Bernie it is a massive amount of money. The teams will all owe him money. He has paid them money in advance. So he would ask them for money back. In the case of one team, that would be in excess of £100m. In every other case, it is tens of millions of pounds.


So its about money, not the fans, not the teams just hard cash


"No sponsor or manufacturer is going to pay the same kind of money they are paying at the moment to be involved in the Golden Steering Wheel Championship.


Max could well be wrong on this as teams have sponers who sponser the team not F1




"I am convinced that they don't want agreement. They want to grab the money and the sporting power. Well, I won't let them grab the sporting power and Bernie won't let them grab the money.


They want the money and the power eh Max, which is exactly what you and Bernie want




"What they fall back on now is 'got to get rid of Max and Bernie'. If they get rid of me, they will only get another one to deal with at the FIA. I am not a dictator but any thoughts I had about retiring in October are starting to fade because you cannot walk away in the middle of a crisis. I would like to retire as I am nearly 70 but they are making it very difficult for me.


I doubt if its possible to get worse than you Max, yes you are a dictator and that is the biggest problem

"Anyway, they would get someone probably worse than me and probably not speaking any known language particularly well. I doubt they would be any happier.


I think most would be happy for Max to go

[blacktulip]

This is from the Times
Mosley was unrepentant, saying it was impossible to set up a rival series, while claiming that the row over his plans to cap team budgets at £40 million a year was a smokescreen for the real objective — to get him out of the FIA and to win more money from Ecclestone’s annual $1 billion (about £600 million) income from broadcasting rights.

“This is not a serious argument about budget caps,” Mosley said. “The teams want the sporting power and they want the money — and I am not going to let them grab the power or the money. Bernie knows this is an attempt to grab his business. This is serious. One team owes Bernie £100 million and the rest owe tens of millions each, so this is a lot of money involved.

“When you analyse what was between us, it was nothing. They simply want to grab control of the sport on one side and the money on the other. It is all pure fantasy. They know it’s a fantasy and it is never going to happen.”

[seabassfan]

Well Herr Mosley,

I, for one, have an opinion regarding the teams and Bernito's money!

If he would have given the teams more than 30% of the gate -and (some) of the concessions- {both of which has to be divided between all the tames}, maybe they wouldn't have the need to try for a "bigger piece of the pie", have any need for "budget caps", go without off-race testing, and any other screwy idea that you two can come up with!

You little dictator and mini-me seem to think that you have your own little fiefdom there- seeming to forget that a majority of the teams also make road cars- which is where a lot of their technology winds up!

Cost-cutting?- you would have been well-served to lower ticket prices, get more rear-ends in the seats, and let the pinnacle of racing remain exactly what it should be- totally awe-inspiring!!

I- as a fan for 34 years- am glad to see that the teams have finally grown up and taken charge of their own fate(s).

Finally, with the promise of lower ticket prices, I have hope again of attending another race.

p.s. thank you very Much for yours and Bernie's stubbornness. You've done us fans the greatest favor we could ask for!!

[blacktulip]

Well said I have given you your first Karma for that, Without the fans F1, Bernie Max and co would be nothing, these little men with huge egos have forgoten the basic fats, these being without fans sport is nothing

[blacktulip]

Mosley had not planned to attend today's British Grand Prix, but he has re-arranged his schedule to meet Ecclestone, as the two powerbrokers of Formula One open another round of negotiations aimed at preventing Ferrari, McLaren, Brawn, Red Bull, Toyota, Renault, BMW and Toro Rosso from forming their own championship. But the uproar over Mosley's 'loonies' remark will serve only to widen the gulf between himself and the rebel teams.
Mosley is considered by a majority within the paddock as the
Last night an outraged source among the rebels said: 'What Max says is insensitive and offensive.' It is understood that if a breakaway series is set up it would be received with open arms by classic motor racing circuits in Europe, North America and Japan.

Track owners at Indianapolis, Monza, Spa, Barcelona, Montreal and Fuji have already opened a dialogue to host races next year. Even the Automobile Club de Monaco, who stage the most glamorous race in the world, could be persuaded to ally themselves to the rebels.
Club president Michel Boeri, who sits on the World Motor Sport Council of the FIA, is believed to have grown impatient with Mosley's presidency. Yet Mosley is undaunted, saying: 'They (the teams) just keep saying, parrot fashion, that we are trying to dictate to them. The posturing will continue. Eventually things will continue as normal. Everyone will see sense.'
Ecclestone yesterday performed a U-turn and insisted that Silverstone, rather than Donington, could yet host next year's British Grand Prix.
Ecclestone said: 'We've got an agreement with Donington and I'm hoping they can complete the agreement. If they can't, for sure we will come back

[blacktulip]

So now Bernie is backtracking about the future of Silverstone, its seems this little man is now very worried about things

[blacktulip]

What a bummer if Silverstone give Bernie the finger and go with Fota

I think Max has totaly lost it and Bernie is now running scared seeing his empire crumble before him

[blacktulip]

From Auto sport

However, I think that sMax has grasped two important parts of the fundamental problem.
FOTA really are fed up with the way the FIA (and specifically sMax) have made the rules for them to play by. Such "cost-saving" initiatives as KERS, and "safety" initiatives like the grooved tyres have cost the teams BIG money, at no positive benefit to the show. The FIA Stewarding of F1 races has been spectacularly inept and unresponsive to the actual competitors. The F1 teams (and drivers) contribute the majority of the FIA's income. They don't think they are getting value for money. sMax is only starting to understand this. He sees it purely as a threat to his position. If sMax cared about stuff other than his position, he'd better understand this part of the problem.
And sMax is undoubtedly correct that the FOTA teams resent the amount of money that Bernie/CVC are taking out of the sport.
Which is why sMax going away, right now, in total disgrace, would not be enough for FOTA.

In order to shake off their very expensive promoter, they need to turn their back on the FIA series.
Enough people have now become sufficiently pissed-off about enough aspects of the situation to finally do something about it.
Leaving the FIA is necessary in order to leave CVC.
Some principally want away from one or the other, but now enough of them see the way to lose both.

I don't think there'll be a reconciliation, and I think that with the "loonies" comments, sMax himself doesn't think there's any going back.

[blacktulip]

According to a F1 lawyer on 5Live radio, the FIA's stance is shaky, they are suing on vague terms, there's nothing specific that can gain them anything from legal action.

[WickedPlans]

I am stunned by the comments that Max has made.
When you degenerate into name calling, the argument is lost.

[starlightmuse]

all we want is to watch the racing dont care about max or bernie and all their money. What ever tracks may be used if a rival set is made we will watch the teams there. Hamilton and Button were well supported by the crowds over the weekends Max was the only one booed there.

[susieq]

Bernie got booed too, and I was just watching the BBC coverage of the race and they didnt show any of the posters or flags about Max or Bernie, very politically correct!?

[fizzycola]

You be right susieq

There was no booing shown on the telly......very PC!

Had I been at Silverstone... I'd have boo'd MM and BE for sure!

fizzy

[blacktulip]

FIA president Max Mosley has given the strongest indication yet that he will stand for re-election when his current term of office runs out in October, as the political crisis engulfing Formula 1 continues unabated.

Amid increasingly thinly veiled calls for a change at the top of the FIA from FOTA-aligned teams and F1’s car manufacturers, Mosley has warned the governing body’s worldwide membership that its authority is under siege.

In a letter sent to the FIA club presidents on Tuesday, a copy of which has been seen by itv.com/f1, Mosley presented the hostility towards him and FOTA’s breakaway threat as merely cover for a bid to neuter the governing body, and said he is now minded to serve another term to protect its mandate.

“Over recent weeks it has become increasingly clear that one of the objectives of the dissident teams is that I should resign as president of the FIA,” Mosley wrote.

“Last year you offered me your confidence and, as I wrote to you on 16 May 2008, it was my intention not to seek re-election in October this year.

“However, in light of the attack on the mandate you have entrusted to me, I must now reflect on whether my original decision not to stand for re-election was indeed the right one.



“It is for the FIA membership, and the FIA membership alone, to decide on its democratically elected leadership, not the motor industry and still less the individuals the industry employs to run its Formula 1 teams.”

Mosley pledged to stand down at the end of his current term during the challenge to his leadership triggered by a tabloid expose of his private life, but has been hinting since last September that he might reconsider that decision.

He warned last weekend that moves to unseat him would only make him more determined to seek another term of office, since he would feel duty-bound to protect the FIA’s authority and would not leave the organisation in the middle of a crisis.

Mosley began his letter to the FIA club presidents by saying: “Formula 1 teams belonging to five of the major car manufacturers have formed an organisation called ‘FOTA’, whose purpose is to take over the FIA's regulatory function in Formula 1.”

He added that the recent call for governance changes by the European car industry association ACEA – whose members include all the manufacturers involved in F1 – represented a naked attempt to seize control of the sport.

“This is an attack on the FIA's right to regulate its Formula One World Championship but, worse, it is a wholly unjustified criticism of and direct challenge to the entire structure and purpose of the FIA,” he wrote.

“No president of the FIA could allow this to go unanswered.

“I have therefore responded on your behalf.

“We are also preparing legal proceedings in case these are needed to protect the FIA's rights in its Championship and to discourage any dissident Formula 1 team from engaging in illegal acts.”

And even though the ACEA has voiced its support for FOTA, which opposes the FIA’s budget cap plans, Mosley questioned whether the struggling car companies would really be prepared to continue spending heavily on motorsport.

“It is extraordinary that at a time when all five manufacturers involved are in great financial difficulty and relying on taxpayers’ money, their Formula 1 teams should threaten a breakaway series in order to avoid reducing their Formula 1 costs," he wrote.

“It remains to be seen whether the boards of the parent companies will allow precious resources to be wasted in this way.”

[blacktulip]

Is it imposible for this man to comprehend that he is the MAIN problem in F1

[fraggle]

if only we could predict a new president this sept... even if it is likely to be jean todt

[susieq]

Thats been on the cards for a few years, and I am sure I read somewhere that Jean Todd now has other interests and probably won't stand to be elected. Mad Max and his dictatorshop will crumble - just a matter of time.

[blacktulip]

Yes but if he (Mad Max) gets re-elected will he have a F1 to bully and take ego trips over, I think not he will still have a F1 but with poor teams and little or no interest.

One minute he is saying he is old and should retire, the next he is saying that he wants to stay on.

he is worth his name Mad Max or Max the pervert as he is called on several other groups

[blacktulip]

Mosley, however, felt it was inappropriate for F1's manufacturers to hold any sway over the identity of the new FIA head.


“Member clubs of the FIA from all over the world have made it clear that they will never allow the car industry to decide who may and who may not be president of the FIA,” he said.


Despite announcing when the deal was reached that he would not seek re-election when his term ends in October, Mosley warned that he could change his mind due to his anger at FOTA's comments.


But he denied that his presence as president was a key factor in the row with FOTA.


“This has nothing to do with me as an individual, it is about the independence of the FIA and its member clubs as defenders of the motorist and arbiters of international motor sport," Mosley insisted

[sushimo]

Jun 28, 2009 18:21:15 GMT @nathan said:

Max has apperently said he is getting a lot of pressure to carry on and also he apperently said he's not quiting unless he gets an apology from fota.

I hope FOTA tell him exactly where to go then, and leave him high and dry.

Who here actually thought this was all over?? This man is in no way going to leave quietly.

Oh, and welcome Nathan............

[blacktulip]

Love the bit where Max has said hundreds are begging him to stay Yea in your dreams max

[falconcobra]

Hey Max

i would love for you to name 10 people that want you to stay?

[susieq]

I can name 3............ Max the Nazi, Max the dictator, Max the lets ruin F1........... sure you can come up with some more ........

[blacktulip]

Was going to say his wife, but dont think she is that keen on him these days

Then their is Bernie his best mate, but Bernie is to frightened that his millions will suffer if he remains friends.