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Post by apedant on Jun 20, 2009 9:46:36 GMT
Has anyone seen a position from the GPDA, they will have the largest influence on this.
With the number of people who expressed an interest in new entries a few weeks ago the FIA could easily re-fill the grid, running F1 in competition to FOTA's championship, albeit with lower budget, privateer teams. The FOTA teams, faced with funding the arangements currently made by FOM, finding TV carriers, race sponsors and host circuits, who may be reluctant to sign big deals before they know if the series is VHS or Beta-Max, will be forced to cut costs.
So either way the drivers will probably face a pay cut, but with that pool of talent I would say that whichever way the GPDA opts will affect the outcome of this.
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Post by kati on Jun 20, 2009 13:23:32 GMT
fota will 'listen' to fans, and get cheaper tickets, until they do not overcome fia. in case of two series, until they can steal the remaining fans from f1. then everything will be the same, why wouldn't it be?
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Post by f1bairn on Jun 20, 2009 13:50:49 GMT
Its all well and good what fota saying, but until they go through with the breakaway and actually make the changes, i cant really take it seriously, which is my opinion.
Its took so long for F1 to become what it is today, i struggle to see how they could set up a rival series so quickly
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Post by gizzy on Jun 20, 2009 15:19:31 GMT
The FOTA teams are not bluffing. I can only imagine the feelings Mac has since the huge fine leveled at them a couple of years ago. When Shuey was around, Ferrari used to be very tight with Max and Bernie, but I think that has gone away.
It was reported yesterday on SPEED that Monaco has said "there will be no Monaco GP without Ferrari" THAT will be a major blow to F1, it's their premier race. They also interviewed the President of Toyota racing. He was relaxed, thrilled and pleased to join the new series.
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Post by gizzy on Jun 20, 2009 15:30:54 GMT
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Post by gizzy on Jun 20, 2009 15:41:24 GMT
Quotes from John Howett, head of Toyota racing and Vice Chairman of FOTA:
FOTA has already done a lot of research into the prospect, with Flavio Briatore leading the way.
"We took the decision last night that we proceed with an alternative championship," Howett told SPEEDtv.com "There is no other position. I think in the end it’s a difficult decision, but one that was easy to reach, because we believe that it’s the right thing for the sport."
"I think there’s been quite a lot of basic groundwork looked at. It’s not insurmountable at all, quite simple I believe."
"I think it’s fairly easy. The circuits will be very happy to receive us next year. The drivers seem very committed to the basic principle to maintain a championship with the best drivers, the best cars, and hopefully more connection and more involvement of the fans, which is something we think can be improved."
Howett said it was too early to release any more information, especially on potential venues.
"I think you could probably have 20, very easily. I think it would be prudent to look at a sensible size of championship, probably similar to now. But at the moment it’s not something we want to discuss at all.
"We’ve issued this statement, we don’t want to go into the details. As soon as we have details, we will launch it. But I think you have to look. It is an extremely interesting prospect for a number of parties.
"We feel extremely happy, very relaxed, and very invigorated, because I
sincerely believe that what we are doing is right thing for the future of the sport for one or two decades to come."
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Post by indytrevor on Jun 20, 2009 15:52:45 GMT
Someone made a good point further up the thread. The USA had a break up within Indy Car, started Champ Car, not a raging success. Now Tony George has pulled the whole thing back together. I would think in these days of cash strapped companies it would make sense to limit expense and make the designers think smarter from a cost standpoint instead of just throwing mega cash at the cars. The results would then be easier to adapt to road cars, that is the "reason" the big car manufacturers say they are in F1, to learn and apply to road cars. if the design a maga widget for mega $$ its hardly likely to get into your common or garden Toyota is it?
Dont get me wrong, I love the exotic stuff that is on the cars today but it really does limit competition and tends to freeze people like Frank Williams out a bit.
Of course, when i see McLaren being soundly trounced by Brawn in the quallies at Silverstone i have to wonder if there is a giant sucking sound at McLaren where all the cash from sponsors is being sucked into Rons back pocket while he fiddles around doing whatever he is doing these days??
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Post by gizzy on Jun 20, 2009 23:16:00 GMT
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Post by kati on Jun 21, 2009 0:14:33 GMT
Everyone always says Bernie is this and that, and hes crazy and whatever, but he's the only who is really trying to fix this thing. I understand when you have a crisis you must have a leader, but Max IS NOT A LEADER. A leader is someone people want to follow. A leader can take all decisions to himself, like on the 2010 rules, where he proposes 'FIA can change rules whenever they feel like'. (Or my tv said so). Bernie seems much more sensible, as he knows they do need them otherwise it's just not happening. 'We do things their way now, and make them stay, and later we'll see'.
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Post by falconcobra on Jun 21, 2009 0:27:45 GMT
Major problem is the tracks. currently the tracks are controlled by the FIA. if there is a breakaway series, they will need access to tracks that are willing to run only 1 event a year. because the FIA could ban any other race meeting.
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Post by kati on Jun 21, 2009 0:54:47 GMT
On our tv here they said last race fota had contacts with 15 tracks willing to hold their 'possible' new series. I dunno where they got this from though. I tried to google to find out which but no success.
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Post by gizzy on Jun 21, 2009 2:03:56 GMT
Kati,
There are plenty of tracks available. You must think of all the tracks that Bernie forced to fix up, then pulled out the rug.
Indy spent $$$millions then he said "no dice" you are done
Silverstone spent $$$millions and he said "no more race there" Spend $$$millions on Donington.
Monza?
Spa was forced to close...they spent $$$millions but he let them back in because of fan uproar.
Montreal? Screw you, I hate north america even if you fill the stands.
Australia? If you don't have an afternoon race, I will cut you from the calender no matter how much money you lose.
Are you seeing a pattern here?
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Post by raikkofan on Jun 21, 2009 7:14:15 GMT
Kati, There are plenty of tracks available. You must think of all the tracks that Bernie forced to fix up, then pulled out the rug. Indy spent $$$millions then he said "no dice" you are done Silverstone spent $$$millions and he said "no more race there" Spend $$$millions on Donington. Monza? Spa was forced to close...they spent $$$millions but he let them back in because of fan uproar. Montreal? Screw you, I hate north america even if you fill the stands. Australia? If you don't have an afternoon race, I will cut you from the calender no matter how much money you lose. Are you seeing a pattern here? And didn't France have a race until recently? I'm sure they'd be game for a new series. If this thing is going to be resolved it had better happen soon. It took IndyCars and CCWS 12 long years and much suffering before they kissed and made up. Once the die is cast it's not easy to undo the damage. There will be contractual obligations in both series that won't easily be broken once they're made. I hope both sides in this fray think long and hard about the implications of their decisions. |
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