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Post by kati on Jun 19, 2009 1:59:14 GMT
Fota annouced they are leaving F1 for 2010 in order to create their own series, including cheaper tickets, and democratic choices.
Me guesses Max is just not sleeping now.
And me also guesses Bernie may want to join that ^^
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Post by seabassfan on Jun 19, 2009 4:17:50 GMT
Cheaper tickets? I'll believe it when I see it! Much as I've squawked for cheaper tickets, what the buget cap would be will be the determining factor in ticket prices. This could be accomplished if there is more balanced revenue sharing between who(m?)ever runs the new league and the teams.
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Post by knightelcid on Jun 19, 2009 5:31:19 GMT
OH MY OH MY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought they were coming to an agreement but I was wrong. I have also read it in AS and MARCA. 10 teams are breaking away from FIA and they WILL create a parallel racing season. They didn't accept FIA's offer and they will create their own circus. If you think about it...for many, many years, FIA has been trying to restrict F1 evolution, from V12, to V10 and now V8. They changed the rules about the tyres and the RPMs...to 18,000 max. They tried to make the cars to go slower. It became a business instead of a sport. In the end, the teams got tired to being under the ruling of a single guy, BE, that dictated the rules, having FOTA without much input and caring less for the fans. In the last few years they "killed" several GPs like the ones in Canada and in the US. The prices have sky rocket for the fans that wanted to go to the races. I think the teams got tired and they had enough.
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Post by blacktulip on Jun 19, 2009 5:40:01 GMT
Could be a breath of fresh air, no Bernie and no Max, but they have brought a great sport to its knees with their power freak ways and greed
Good luck to the breakaway
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Post by knightelcid on Jun 19, 2009 5:43:06 GMT
Teams to launch breakaway series
By jonathan noble Thursday, June 18th 2009, 22:43 GMT
The Formula One Teams' Association announced on Thursday night that it is setting up a breakaway championship.
Following a four hour meeting at Renault's Enstone factory, the eight members of FOTA said it had grown frustrated with the FIA's stance against it and that it had no option but to create its own championship.
"The teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 World Championship," said a statement.
"These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new Championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners. This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders.
"The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series.
Here are my two questions:
Are they going to finish this season??
What is going to happen to the new teams that have signed for next year, like Campos and USF1?
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Post by knightelcid on Jun 19, 2009 5:44:16 GMT
BERNIE AND MAX.....OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by blacktulip on Jun 19, 2009 5:44:44 GMT
From ITV sport
FOTA says its new championship will include all of Formula 1's existing household stars and major figures, with “transparent governance” one of its key goals.
It added that it would welcome new entrants to join its series and promised to improve the experience for fans.
“This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders," the statement added.
“The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series.”
Should there be no U-turn from the teams' alliance and they go ahead with their intention to set up a rebel championship, then it will mark a destructive conclusion to one of the biggest controversies in Formula 1's 60-year history.
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Post by raikkofan on Jun 19, 2009 6:41:31 GMT
BERNIE AND MAX.....OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL! Couldn't have said it better myself. I hope this brings F1 or breakaway racing back to Indianapolis and/or Laguna Seca. And while I certainly hope this brings about lower ticket prices one must wonder how this will affect drivers' salaries. Hopefully they'll start being paid what they're worth-- which isn't $45 million per year. |
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Post by sushimo on Jun 19, 2009 9:51:54 GMT
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Post by kati on Jun 19, 2009 11:37:09 GMT
well let's see if max will keep being as 'determinated' now. as i said, i do have a feeling bernie will want to leave the boat too. haha i can't imagine f1 next year! hahaha max will really have to call all those new teams. ^^ Well, now there will plenty of space for a woman driving, like discussed on the other thread  |
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Post by blacktulip on Jun 19, 2009 14:30:16 GMT
But some of the new teams max did not invite have said they may well go with FOTA, think Bernie and Max are in deep S=== now and they both know it
Max will go down in history as the man who ruined F1
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Post by seabassfan on Jun 19, 2009 14:35:07 GMT
yippe1 Lower ticket prices. When I get a job again, I'm saving up for FOTA race. No more "donations" to BE and Maxie's bank accounts.
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Post by kati on Jun 19, 2009 15:21:00 GMT
Horner already tipped Bernie could 'save' situation, because he does 'own' F1 name. ^^
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Post by blacktulip on Jun 19, 2009 15:55:44 GMT
Kati dont think owning the name will bother anybody except Bernie, both Max and Bernie are against the ropes and they know it.
Max should not be in the position he is after the senario he went through! remember many manufactures called for him to resign but he burried his head in the sand and carried on regardles, now I think he has given the finger to all who called him and as a wilfull last act ruined F1 as we know it.
Bernie will not save things as he has no power over the rules and personaly I feel a new set up is a blessing in disguise, yes Bernie owns F1v and its name but if the new set up called itself the Fota championship or even the Joe Bloggs championship everybody would know what it is.
Most people are all in favour of the breakaway as we will get back to real racing without Mosley's pig headed rules
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Post by fizzycola on Jun 19, 2009 17:46:39 GMT
Firstly..... hear hear Blacktulip!!
Secondly... Bernie does indeed "own" the name F1... but who cares. FF1 would do (Fota F1) or anything!
Thirdly... I'm still trying to get ma heid round all this. There are definitely possibilities out there that can make this breakaway series happen.
Like, use the tracks that are not on the calendar. GB at Silverstone, Canada, USA, Algarve, Jerez, Long Beach, San Marino. That one in France that used to be used ages ago. Don't have to be up to FIA standards no more.
What if USF1, Manor, Campos decided that they entered to race against Ferrari and co, and now are not, and there may be a possibility they could jump ship.
What if the other entrants like Prodrive and co who weren't selected join in with Ferrari and co?
fizzy
(away to think some more)
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Post by falconcobra on Jun 19, 2009 20:41:25 GMT
im sorry to say, ill have to go against most people on this one,
if you look at the States and what happened there, this whole thing all destroy what was left of Formula 1.
a breakaway series isnt the way to go, getting rid of the problem is, i remember the FOCA, FISA (was that the Acronym?) from the 80's, if the teams did something like that again, ie: not show up for races, the FIA, and the fans would call for heads pretty quick
((footnote) Bernie and Max were on the other side in that lot.)
F1/ Whatever the new Series needs to stay under the World govening body for it to survive, International Tracks around the world will be told not to allow the new series.
im hopeless at typing what im thinking, i hope some of what i said makes sense
Daryl
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Post by jap2uk on Jun 19, 2009 21:04:17 GMT
Il believe the split when i see it. I think it just a game of bluff at the moment. Williams and force india are staying due to certain obligations so im guessing atleast 2 other will stay.
If max had of left when he was caught with his pants down maybe all this wouldnt be here.
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Post by fizzycola on Jun 19, 2009 21:49:56 GMT
I do understand what you are saying Falconcobra. I had a chat today with someone, big f1 fan, who couldn't understand why FOTA would do this sort of thing, form a breakaway series. I replied to her that FOTA must be really hacked off with the FIA to go thro with this. BE on telly tonight when asked about the split, he said " ask MM" so is it out of BE's hands?  ? MM is just a control freak. It would seem it's his way or the highway. (my opinion only) and the highway is the way all 8 united teams have chosen. I wonder what will happen in the the next few days following this news. fizzy |
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Post by fizzycola on Jun 19, 2009 21:54:51 GMT
Also...McLaren have teamed up with the gang............ Does this mean they will get their 3 ran ban??? And what happens the rest of this current year? Normal as usual? Or what? fizzy |
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Post by knightelcid on Jun 20, 2009 0:41:24 GMT
McL will not get penalized 'cause they would be leaving F1 as we know it, or at least the F1 that we know that is subject to FIA rules. If FIA decides this is their third strike, most likely all the teams will be backing up McL so I am wouldn't worry too much. About the rest of the season, what is going to happen is that they will continue to race 'til the last race. What is also going to happen is that FIA and BE are going to take to court the 8 teams, specailly Ferrari 'cause they think they are the instigators  . They will threat the teams with a huge law suit of hundreds and hundreds of millinons of dollars. That's one thing. The second thing they will do is that they wont allow the 8 teams to race in any track under FIA rules (watch). So....to cite an example, they wouldn't be able to use the race track in Barcelona, Spain for the Spanish GP just because FIA has stipulated for the track to be used under their rules and if they do, if the Spanish GP decides to allow the 8 teams to use their track, that would be a breach of contract and FIA and Bernie would take them to court too. In summary FIA and BE are going to make their lives freaking miserable. Is it worth it??? well, time will tell. Just my opinion |
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Post by leon722 on Jun 20, 2009 0:52:05 GMT
All of this for F1 and FOTA resemble the situation that happened here in the states, between the new series called the IRL (Indy Racing League) and the original open wheel series in the states, CART (Championship Auto Racing Teams). IRL was the breakaway series. Actually, the George Family, owners of Indianapolis Motor Speedway, home of the Indy 500, created the IRL. Indy also hosted past F1 races, on the oval track. The IRL series ran on Aurora engines, and raced on ovals only. For a few years, the IRL was boring, but the George's held the Ace card. You could only race in the Indy 500 if you raced in the IRL. CART drivers were not welcome. Gradually, bigger and more famous teams broke ranks with CART. Andretti Racing, Chip Ganassi, but the killer blow came with Penske Racing moving to the IRL. Gradually, the IRL included road courses, temp and perm, and CART, which was publicly traded, lost value, lost sponsorship and race fans. CART is gone, and we have only one open wheel series here in the states. The IRL. So, F1, and FOTA...I like the opportunity that will come for other tracks. Watkins Glen, in NY, is a past F1 course, and would be a fine venue for FOTA. Now, as Fizzy mentioned, what about the rest of this year and F1? To break ranks now, this season, may drive some fans away. I want to see Button get his title. Would you watch this weekends race knowing there are only 14 races this year? Season shortened due to lack of teams and revenue. We all loose there. Bernie had better be careful. On an international scale, there is enough room for two open wheel series touring the globe. BUT, with cutting costs to teams, fans, sponsors and race tracks, FOTA may very well remove F1, as we know it today, from the racing world. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder where Schumi's records would wind up? |
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Post by kati on Jun 20, 2009 1:21:30 GMT
Firstly..... hear hear Blacktulip!! Secondly... Bernie does indeed "own" the name F1... but who cares. FF1 would do (Fota F1) or anything! Thirdly... I'm still trying to get ma heid round all this. There are definitely possibilities out there that can make this breakaway series happen. Like, use the tracks that are not on the calendar. GB at Silverstone, Canada, USA, Algarve, Jerez, Long Beach, San Marino. That one in France that used to be used ages ago. Don't have to be up to FIA standards no more. What if USF1, Manor, Campos decided that they entered to race against Ferrari and co, and now are not, and there may be a possibility they could jump ship. What if the other entrants like Prodrive and co who weren't selected join in with Ferrari and co? fizzy (away to think some more) what i mean is that, bernie is smart enough to know formula mosley wouldnt survive without fota. and bernie is not the kinda guy who likes to stay on the side who's gon lose. what if he joins the other side , and make that as 'f1'? I guess he'd be welcome. Maybe not as a 'leader' , because they want to be democratic (haha!), but well, it's better to lose a bit than to lose it all, me guesses. |
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Post by throttle on Jun 20, 2009 1:34:09 GMT
Taking the FOTA teams to court is quite frankly, ludicrous. All a court can do is impose a fine for a broken contract, which if big enough will bankrupt the team, leaving them unable to compete in F1. If the fine is small, the team will simply pay it and go about its business, still not competing in F1. If the fine is properly proportionate to the team's funding, then the team will be set back a couple of seasons or so, and.... still not have to compete in F1.
So, what was the point in going to court again?
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Post by cyfrin on Jun 20, 2009 1:50:41 GMT
It is all rather sad. JB needs to win the ch'ship this year so I hope nothing sours that! MM must go-he is ruining F1 as we know it and that is disastrous. BE is a smug little millionaire that could help but won't. All of this breaking this weekend is really bad - it should never have been at a GP - letalone the British one  I just hope it is all smoke & mirrors, the MM goes and we can all get back to normal....  |
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Post by bubbz on Jun 20, 2009 2:17:21 GMT
my thought is what does those major share holding banks think about this? if i remember correctly BE probably wouldnt lose everything but the banks probably could, and then there is the FIA and how much power they hold to effect the new series?
but also how much set up/organization have they done, will they have a full international series up and running by march or april
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Post by blacktulip on Jun 20, 2009 6:19:25 GMT
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Post by blacktulip on Jun 20, 2009 6:27:45 GMT
The FIA has put a hold on things while it asserts its legal rights.
This should lead to a cooling-off period, although next Wednesday’s FIA World Council meeting could be a flashpoint if the teams try to unseat Mosley, as is being suggested in some quarters.
In briefings this evening Mosley has indicated that he will not walk away until the job is complete and that he feels the FOTA breakaway has no chance of success.
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Post by f1diva on Jun 20, 2009 7:37:37 GMT
I really do think, or should i say hope, that the FOTA teams are just bluffing. They will know the FIA would struggle to manage an F1 without the manufacturer teams so this is a perfect ploy to try and get them to bow down to their requirements.
On saying it, the manufactures have been talking about a break away for some time now, this is probably the perfect opportunity to do so. Either that or they are looking for something to blame if they have to leave the sport due to financial issues.
There are so many possibilities and reasons for what is going on, it is such a mess. All we can do is wait to see what happens, it just saddens me that the drama has been playing out in public and we the fans have not had a chance to speak.
F1Diva
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Post by blacktulip on Jun 20, 2009 7:45:31 GMT
You have hit the nail on the head when tou say we the fans have not had a chance to speak.
MM and Bernie are not interested in the fans, just themselves
At least FOTA has been quoted as saying they would listen to the fans
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Post by rigsby on Jun 20, 2009 8:35:09 GMT
Just watched for the third time the interveiw with Bernie,what an arrogant little man.Ask Max?? Best news for years,i hope it happens.If it does Silverstone will still be on the calendar.Fairground pretending to be circus,I hope these words come back to haunt you Bernie.
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. They will threat the teams with a huge law suit of hundreds and hundreds of millinons of dollars. That's one thing. The second thing they will do is that they wont allow the 8 teams to race in any track under FIA rules (watch). So....to cite an example, they wouldn't be able to use the race track in Barcelona, Spain for the Spanish GP just because FIA has stipulated for the track to be used under their rules and if they do, if the Spanish GP decides to allow the 8 teams to use their track, that would be a breach of contract and FIA and Bernie would take them to court too. 
