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Post by fizzycola on Jun 10, 2009 15:18:24 GMT
I like this!!!! It's gotta happen one day!  From yahoo.com Reigning Formula 1 World Champion Lewis Hamilton has waded into the sport's sex debate in suggesting that one day a female driver will "come along and kick everyone's a***" in the top flight. Only five women have ever participated at the highest level - Maria Teresa de Filippis in the late 1950s, Lella Lombardi and Divina Galica in the mid-1970s, Desiré Wilson in 1979 and Giovanna Amati in 1992 - and of them, only the late Lombardi ever troubled the scorers, with a half-point for sixth place in the tragic 1975 Spanish Grand Prix at Montjuïc Park, whilst the latter three never actually made the starting grid. The 1976 British Grand Prix at Brands Hatch is the only event in F1 history to-date with more than one woman driver on the entry list, though neither Lombardi (Brabham) nor Galica (Surtees) succeeded in qualifying for the race Current leading female competitors include DTM aces Susie Stoddart and Katherine Legge, and IndyCar Series race-winner and poster girl Danica Patrick, who was linked to an ultimately abortive test outing with Honda late last year. "As the world evolves a woman is bound to come along and kick everyone's a***," Hamilton told The Sun. "I'll hope for the best when that comes." The 24-year-old's view point is somewhat at odds with the opinion expressed by compatriot and Brawn GP world championship leader Jenson Button, who joked last year in an interview with men's lifestyle magazine FHM that: "A girl with big boobs would never be comfortable in the car, and the mechanics wouldn't concentrate. Can you imagine strapping her in? You wouldn't want to be on the circuit with them, would you?" Fizzy (would quite like to kick the ass of JB for saying stuff like that!) |
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Post by blacktulip on Jun 10, 2009 15:30:52 GMT
Ah but your biased Fizzy, you dont like Jenson, but he has a point as there is not much room in the williepit and modifications would be needed
Having said that females are now kickung ass being doctors and lawers and out doing there male counterparts, so why not on the race track.
I have had a woman as a boss for 30 years, she is called my wife LOL
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Post by fizzycola on Jun 10, 2009 17:14:28 GMT
The williepit!!! ROFL! ;D Button's comments he made back then are exactly why I don't care for the guy.. he said a lot more derogatory remarks regarding women also in that interview. Nothing wrong with his driving skills tho  I'm the boss in my household also fizzy |
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Post by seabassfan on Jun 10, 2009 22:31:48 GMT
I aggre with fizzy about Jensen's comments in the FHM interview. However- in 2007 (when katherine Legge was about to test for Minardi),"Bernie the Pig" said, "The only woman who could make it in formula 1 would have to be dutch with big tits." In a subsequent interview at Indianapolis, he was asked about Danica Patrick. He said, "Only if we add 100 pounds (44.5 kilos) of weight to her car." Didn't he know that Miss Legge is British from Surrey, and, is he afraid of a woman with real racing talent and no fear?
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Post by susieq on Jun 11, 2009 17:51:48 GMT
I've read articles in the past about Bernie and the things he's said about woman, all not nice and a lot worse (unprintable) than than Seabasses comments.
I think with the new teams coming in we may see a woman driver sooner rather than later in F1.
And I'm the boss too in work and home. ;-)
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Post by sushimo on Jun 15, 2009 16:38:04 GMT
Men in all sports seem to be under the illusion that the little woman could neva equal them. Well hey, there have already been a few shockers for them, and I have no doubt at all there are many more in waiting. As for JB, well I agree with Fizzy, never have been fond of him (good luck to him for this season and a decent car mind) and his views. Why would the womens boobs have to be an issue? Are his balls one too? Many women who are fit and athletic (a priority for any F1 driver) are built more like lads than lasses anyways and seem to lack in the mammary dept the need for a bra even. Several years ago I had to have a mechanic listen to my car while I drove and he sat in the passenger seat. When we stopped he gazed at me with admiration and said "Wow, you drive just like a man" I asked him to define which man I drove like as they sure as hell don't all have a god-given gift behind the wheel...... I found that so insulting! Still an ardent LH fan, even though he's having a bad year I still rate him as the best on the track, and he talks sense too! |
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Post by fizzycola on Jun 15, 2009 17:23:40 GMT
Hear Hear Sushi  Danica Patrick is a tiny lil slip of a girl.. and a good lil racer too - never heard any negative issues or comments about her being a girlracer. And she's in the main public eye. Felipe Massa, I was so surprised last race to see how tiny he is also. I agree with Sushi about LH talking sense also. I like to see manners and LH has always thanked his team et al. Hakkinen did the same and so did Shumacher. Drivers who say "eeeeaaargh some un-intelligible nonsense eeeuuuuuyippitydoodah" ...well, ok, fine. Have to commend JB in Turkey tho. He did thank his team "you gave me a monster of a car" he said. Wee clip of Danica....and I wonder which mechanic would not want to strap her into her race seat fizzy |
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Post by kati on Jun 16, 2009 23:30:33 GMT
I already had this same argument in another forum before. I do believe we can have women in Formula One in the future, but that'd be more of a marketing attempt than a real try for competition. Not that I do not think women can drive. (I cannot, but I'm more of an exception!) But I do believe it wouldn't be much of a fair competition in terms of physical. I know, Danica won in Indycar. But after how long? And when may it happen again?
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Post by fizzycola on Jun 17, 2009 10:32:09 GMT
Danica did win in Indycar. And it did take a while, yes.
Button won in F1...and it took him how many GP starts? Over 100 was it not?
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Post by kati on Jun 17, 2009 12:24:08 GMT
this is what i meant, shed be there for marketing, getting a seat because it attracts media. and then would be not a title contender, which would be the main reason of someone joining f1 afterall. and im considering jens win for honda, not ones for brawn, which is a completely different situation.
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Post by fizzycola on Jun 17, 2009 17:55:37 GMT
Danica has been racing competitively since she was 16 years old (Formula Ford UK) She didn't get a seat coz she "attracts media" she got a seat as she is one darn good lil racer. ;D She makes money out of racing and the deals she can do associated with racing. Every driver does that regardless of age, sex, stature, nationality and the rest. Nakajima entered F1 with the desire to what? Be a title contender I'm sure..... but he isn't at the moment is he? But I'll bet that was his main reason to join F1.  fizzy |
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Post by kati on Jun 17, 2009 19:32:12 GMT
Ah c'mon, tell me she does not get specifical deals because she's a woman! Magazine covers, different product campaigns... It's a whole new world of possibilities, it's a woman racing. Nakajima has a nice last name I guess that helped him, like Nels, Nico, Villeneuve in the past. May help Bruno soon too. And Nakajima also has the point that he's japanese. Having a japanese driver helps a lot with sponsoring, and even supply deals. You think Sato was there for such a while why? I'm not saying she isn't good. She can race, otherwise she would've raced for one season and then bye. But she did got a seat out of her conditions and I do not see her as a title contender. |
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Post by fizzycola on Jun 17, 2009 21:43:45 GMT
It all comes down to the fact that Danica is different. She's female. She aint going to be advertising aftershave is she? So of course she gets specific deals. You see Button gettting lucrative underwear deals?? no (god forbid - have a pic of him in the buff and it's not pretty!)
Bruno has a "name " also...... but he didn't get a seat this year in F1.. Why? He's not got the racing credentials needed yet.
Danica has proved herself to be a racer.. and good on her! Milka Duno seems to have faded into the background as Sarah Fisher has. So why is Danica still about? Coz she has the future potential that's why.
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Post by fraggle on Jun 17, 2009 22:05:33 GMT
Those comments Button made are actually older, they're from 2005 as I remember quoting it in an article I wrote about why there were no women drivers in F1. www.feedmef1.com/html/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6226 Desire Wilson did win an F1 race in the Aurora F1 series. And Katherine Legge tested for Minardi in Nov 05. As for Hamilton's comment, yeh I'd love the day a woman kick's all the drivers backsides, including his |
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Post by fizzycola on Jun 17, 2009 22:09:40 GMT
Love you fraggle  fizzy |
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Post by kati on Jun 17, 2009 23:45:07 GMT
It all comes down to the fact that Danica is different. She's female. She aint going to be advertising aftershave is she? So of course she gets specific deals. You see Button gettting lucrative underwear deals?? no (god forbid - have a pic of him in the buff and it's not pretty!) Bruno has a "name " also...... but he didn't get a seat this year in F1.. Why? He's not got the racing credentials needed yet. Danica has proved herself to be a racer.. and good on her! Milka Duno seems to have faded into the background as Sarah Fisher has. So why is Danica still about? Coz she has the future potential that's why. fizzy But she does gets more attention. Ok, Lewis is talented, but you don't remember how the media worked over the 'first black F1 driver' thing? It's the same thing over a female driver. Ok I know wouldn't be first, but would be first in a LONG while. Danica is still about not because shes a title contender, but because she's as good as a regular driver. But she did get much more attention for being a female. As for Bruno, he didn't get the seat only, and only because Ross Brawn has some issues with Rubens. May change in the very near future. |
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Post by gizzy on Jun 18, 2009 4:39:31 GMT
Fiz,
Danika is good, but not great. I hope another woman driver comes along that is a bit better. She did win at Motegi (Japan) and came in 3rd at Detroit...but does not show brilliance in her driving effort. She usually seems to finish at the top of mid pack.
Danicka is helped by a great Andretti team...but just seems to fall a bit short. Don't think she is top notch F1 caliber yet.
She is hounded by the media at every race. I could not believe all the photogs surrounding her motorhome at the Detroit GP. Media only at her place! Papparazzi!
The pressure on her is enormous... it kind of explains how she almost ran a kid over with her scooter right in front of me before the race. Although this was 50 yards before the mass of media swarmed all over her as she entered her motorhome.
What's it like to have a bunch of dudes smothering you?
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Post by sushimo on Jun 18, 2009 5:03:43 GMT
I think there has to be a major change in attitude for women to get where they can compete equally with the men. Sexism is rife and thriving in most, and any woman that dares to infiltrate a man's world usually get's a very rough time one way or another.
Maybe one of the major F1 teams looking at go-carting kids (aka Hamilton/McLaren), pick out a couple of girls without fear and the potential (they do exist) and nurture them into champions mentally and physically.
Anyone new and different to any sport is going to have to learn to cope with predjudices and an unforgiving, deeply intrusive media. You have to learn to cope with that or go under. Women are by far mentally stronger than men, and in many sports have to use means other than physical strength to succeed - be more precise.
Frankly, I am looking forward to the day we have as many women as men drivers in F1 - it will happen, just a case of when is all.
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Post by throttle on Jun 20, 2009 1:59:58 GMT
The problem with women in F1 is simple - there simply aren't enough women in motor racing. Without lots of women in the feeder series, you simply dont get any gravitating to be F1 drivers. This has absolutely nothing to do with their ability, their physical stamina or their looks, it has to do with just ONE thing - they just aren't interested in DOING motorsports. This is of course different to WATCHING motorsports, where women are more than adequately represented. Most men have toyed with the dream of being a racing driver at some time, though relatively few ever pursue it. Very few women have such dreams though, it simply doesn't enter their minds (probably because they are far too sensible to engage in anything so foolhardy!). This isn't sexism, this is just the way things are. There is no empirical reason why this should be so, it just boils down to the differences between the sexes. Let's be honest - it's the same reason there isn't a large female presence in any male dominated area of work or sport. If women wanted to enter those arenas, there would be very little men could do to keep them out. What is annoying though is that for the few women who DO want to be in racing, such a ridiculous fuss is made over them that it does act to dissuade them from pursuing it. this is the thing that needs to change - keeping hoards of photographers away from any endangered species is always a good idea  |
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Post by apedant on Jun 20, 2009 9:37:17 GMT
There are good females all the way down the formulas, I was watching the Ginetta Junior series from Donnington last week in really tricky conditions for kids to be racing in and Sarah Moore was kicking ass all over the shop, including her brother's, which must have been sheer hell for him in the car home.
As with pretty much all of these stupid arse "women can't do it" things in all walks of life the reason no woman has done it yet is pretty much that none has been given the chance to try. And sure most women don't have what it takes to be world champion, but then neither do most men, including most racing drivers.
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Post by susieq on Jun 22, 2009 15:11:24 GMT
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Danica Patrick is a tiny lil slip of a girl.. and a good lil racer too - never heard any negative issues or comments about her being a girlracer. And she's in the main public eye.
