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Post by fizzycola on May 10, 2009 16:19:46 GMT
Well, the guy does have a point about this.
from f1-live.com
Rubens Barrichello on Sunday made clear he is no longer willing to play second fiddle to any teammate.
The Brazilian veteran finished second to Brawn Mercedes teammate Jenson Button in Spain, after the team decided to switch the championship leader to a two stop strategy.
Barrichello, who passed Button at the first corner and led early, remained on his three-stopper. "I had the race in my hands and I was quite surprised when they told me they were switching Jenson to two," the 36-year-old said.
"I would like to understand why they changed that," he added, explaining that his third set of tyres also slowed him down.
For six years at Ferrari, Barrichello was Michael Schumacher's 'number two', ceding to team orders on many occasions, including the infamous radio call of the 2002 Austrian Grand Prix.
"If that happens I won't follow any team orders anymore," Barrichello told reporters in Barcelona. "I'm making it clear now so everyone knows."
The intimation is that Brawn deliberately changed Button's strategy to favour the championship leader over Barrichello, but Button denies it is the case.
"We are all here to win, and today it just went my way and it didn't for him," the Briton said. "It could swing around for the next race, that's the way things go in F1."
fizzy
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Post by f1diva on May 10, 2009 16:37:31 GMT
There is no denying the team is very much behind Jense, Ross Brawn has said since joining the team under the Honda banner that he can make him a champion.
You have to feel for Rubens, always the bridesmaid.
F1Diva
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Post by knightelcid on May 10, 2009 19:38:35 GMT
"bridesmaid" I think that word describes Bubens role in Ferrari more or less. He has done it in the past when he was in Ferrari. Rubens knows it and you can only feel bad for him..it is sad to be honest, I feel bad for the guy. Something that I don't believe for one second is the excuse he gave about him going to the pitting earlier because something was wrong with his from tyre. He pit because the team need JB to win the race..plain and simple, it is also called team orders..oh well
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Post by knightelcid on May 10, 2009 19:42:02 GMT
By the way..................I have heard he is writing a book and I have heard he is going air out some staff that a red team is not going to like. Just a preview...around a month ago, in a party, he was bad mouthing his ex teammate...Michael that is..so you guys can Imagine what the book is going to look like..a precious jewl worth to be read
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Post by del on May 11, 2009 5:56:09 GMT
I have never been an advocate of team orders or at least not this early in the season. Until it’s mathematically impossible for your team mate not to become world champion
I can not make a comparison to what went on with Rubens at Ferrari or any of the other drivers who took the call too let The Red Baron past. Austria being highlighted and the most infamous of these events.
Surely, a driver and his race engineers have a right to change strategy at any given time?
After all it’s a race between the driver and the rest of the grid, including your team mate.
How ever, I also see no reason why they could not or would not change Ruben’s strategy as well.
If it is the case of would not then I strongly condemn Brawn racing for this!
Is Jenson being favoured here?
The eyes of the world are watching
Del
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Post by blacktulip on May 11, 2009 6:38:25 GMT
Team orders have allways been part of F1, I think all drivers should have the same chance but I doubt we will never see it
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Post by seabassfan on May 11, 2009 6:55:01 GMT
I agree with you, Del! I couldn't believe it when they "decided" to change Jensen (even though{after all the years of struggling with BAR Honda} I think there is no one more deserving of the success he's finally having) to a 2 stop strategy and not change Rubens also. I, also, am "surprised" that Rubens 'just happened' to get a bad set of hard compound tires (that never got grip) for his second stint. Ross Brawn, afterwards, said he "felt sorry for Rubens and couldn't figure out what happened." BS!!  It was a pure setup for Jensen to continue to build his lead towards the World Championship while Rubens plays second fiddle for yet another year. Furthermore- as reported on formula1.com- afterwards, Ross said, "We're sure that Rubens will get a win in due time." Hogwash!! If Rubens had won in Spain, he and Jensen would be tied at 29 points each! But- as at Ferrari- it's a decision that one driver will be concentrated on to win the WC. Brawn's comments belie the fact that, in the closing laps, Rubens was closing on Jensen- but 18 seconds was too much to make up. Did anyone notice, after the safety car period, that the Brawns disappeared from the rest of the field with Rubens (in the head-on shots) was separating himself from Jensen. I, also, won't mention the fact that Ross and Jensen both gave Rubens all the credit for giving the engineers the information necessary for both cars to have the absolutely correct setup for Catalunya. I'm sure you all saw Rubens and Jensen sitting in the waiting room before the podium and Rubens (almost crying) saying, "I just can't understand how I could lose." Finally- It seems that Rubens had the correct setup before qualis because Jensen only got pole on his absolutely last lap while Rubens had held it for the 2 laps before- Sorry folks- which means Jensen got pole on the mere fact that he was so light on fuel for that lap, especially since he got pole by only .008 seconds. I know someone will disagree with me- but we saw the same scenario when Ross was chief strategist with Ferrari. If I'm not mistaken, Rubens only win with Ferrari (that I know of) was Monza 2004 when both he and Michael spun, recovered, went 1-2. Otherwise- it was Michael all-the-way. Schumi even "shoved him out of the way at Monaco one year (at the chicane after the tunnel) to get the win. Yes I'm mad! But hey! There aren't team orders are there? It's all just a coincidence. Someone tell me where I'm wrong. Sorry:-( I just needed to rant bigtime about this. |
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Post by seabassfan on May 11, 2009 6:59:27 GMT
Wow! I hadn't read any other posts before I wrote mine. Wow!
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Post by susieq on May 11, 2009 7:43:45 GMT
I'm not so sure. I think Rubins didn't win because of his racing style. He's not as smooth as JB, whom its quoted that he has the same style of driving as MS. We all knew the prime tyre wasn't as fast and JB made that work and Rubins didn't probably as due to his agressive style and. Wth doing 2 stops JB has a much heavier car too. Brawn did say that a 3 stopper was the quickest, Rubins just failed to capitalise on it.
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Post by seabassfan on May 11, 2009 8:18:10 GMT
Maybe true, SusieQ, but- over the radio, Rubens was complaining tat his hard compounds weren't getting any grip. aside from that- after checking results and the point system, if Rubens had won, the points would have been Jensen 39 and Rubens 33, Not Jensen 41 and Rubens 27. But it's all speculation anyway.
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Post by susieq on May 11, 2009 8:40:07 GMT
On the other hand, Ross Brawn was almost ecstatic when JB got pole! We'll probably never know and just have to speculate like you say Seabass.
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Post by susieq on May 11, 2009 13:53:35 GMT
This is the heading on the BBC website.
Rubens Barrichello has threatened to quit Formula 1 ........ if he finds out his Brawn team are favouring Jenson Button.
The Brazilian lost Sunday's Spanish Grand Prix to his team-mate after boss Ross Brawn changed Button's strategy.
"If I get the slightest sniff of the fact that they have favoured Jenson, I will hang up my helmet tomorrow," he told United States channel SpeedTV.
"But I know Ross wouldn't do that. He asked me to drive for him and he knows I want to race fairly with Jenson."
The rest of the interview I remember him saying, but not that bit! Interesting!!
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Post by blacktulip on May 11, 2009 17:16:33 GMT
So the dummy is spat out, both engineers have the call on tactics, its just jensons made the call, why did rubens not follow suit!
To quote he will hang up his helmet is pure stupidity, he was more than pleased to get a drive this season.
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Post by fraggle on May 12, 2009 23:54:32 GMT
I did wonder why post race Ross was keen to point out there were no 'team orders'. He didn't say it outright, he just alluded to it.
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It was a pure setup for Jensen to continue to build his lead towards the World Championship while Rubens plays second fiddle for yet another year. 
