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Post by sushimo on Apr 6, 2009 14:24:12 GMT
The McLaren team are expected to face disciplinary charges after being found guilty of misleading race stewards following the Australian Grand Prix. Lewis Hamilton and the team have already been stripped of their points from the race and the Englishman has issued an emotional public apology. But BBC Sport has learned governing body the FIA is poised to order them to officially account for their actions. A spokesman said the FIA was awaiting a report from its race observer. It is understood that is expected imminently, and any further developments should become clear by Wednesday. It is expected McLaren will be called before a meeting of the FIA World Council - but that this is unlikely to be scheduled before the Bahrain Grand Prix, the fourth race of the season, later this month. The World Council is the body which disqualified McLaren from the constructors' championship and fined them $100m (£67m) for their role in a spy scandal involving Ferrari in 2007. There is no limit to the action it could take in this instance if it deemed it serious enough. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7985669.stmHere we go again, new season, same old!  |
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Post by WickedPlans on Apr 7, 2009 17:24:14 GMT
The FIA has released the following statement: "Vodafone McLaren Mercedes has been invited to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Wednesday, 29 April, 2009, to answer charges that, in breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, it - on 29 March, 2009, told the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix that no instructions were given to Hamilton in Car No. 1 to allow Trulli in Car no. 9 to pass when both cars were behind the safety car, knowing this statement to be untrue; - procured its driver Hamilton the current World Champion, to support and confirm this untrue statement to the stewards; - although knowing that as a direct result of its untrue statement to the stewards, another driver and a rival team had been unfairly penalised, made no attempt to rectify the situation either by contacting the FIA or otherwise; - on 2 April, 2009, at a second hearing before the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix, (meeting in Malaysia) made no attempt to correct the untrue statement of 29 March but, on the contrary, continued to maintain that the statement was true, despite being allowed to listen to a recording of the team instructing Hamilton to let Trulli past and despite being given more than one opportunity to correct its false statement; - on 2 April, 2009, at the second stewards' hearing, procured its driver Hamilton to continue to assert the truth of the false statement given to the stewards on 29 March, while knowing that what he was saying to the stewards was not true." In response, McLaren issued the following press release: "McLaren acknowledges receipt of an invitation to appear at an FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting in Paris on April 29, received this afternoon. We undertake to co-operate fully with all WMSC processes, and welcome the opportunity to work with the FIA in the best interests of Formula 1. "This afternoon McLaren and its former sporting director, Dave Ryan, have formally parted company. As a result, he is no longer an employee of any of the constituent companies of the McLaren Group." www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9159.html |
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Post by blacktulip on Apr 7, 2009 18:47:36 GMT
In other words the FIA witch hunt against McLaren has started once more
It realy seems they do not like McLaren at all
Lets remember other teams and drivers have also done things in the past without the FIA witch hunt being involved, words like victomisation come to mind.
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Post by blacktulip on Apr 7, 2009 18:48:49 GMT
From ITV F1
McLaren will be hauled before the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council on April 29 to answers charges over a breach of the International Sporting Code after being found to have lied to Australian Grand Prix stewards.
The FIA confirmed on Tuesday that it had called an extraordinary general meeting of the WMSC after Lewis Hamilton and the team’s then sporting director Dave Ryan were found to have given “deliberately misleading” evidence to stewards following the season-opening race.
Hamilton was disqualified from third place in Melbourne after stewards reconvened at Sepang last Thursday in the wake of new evidence coming to light, with radio traffic disproving Ryan and Hamilton’s earlier statements that there had not been an instruction to allow Toyota’s Jarno Trulli past under the safety car.
Ryan was suspended for his role in the scandal by McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh last Friday – and has since left the team altogether - while Hamilton later held a press conference in which he apologised for his role in the controversy.
However the FIA did not rule out taking further action against the team and said that it would consider a further investigation into the affair once it received a report from its stewards.
It has now confirmed the matter will be brought before the WMSC in Paris on the Wednesday after the Bahrain GP and cites five counts where it says McLaren has breached Article 151c of the International Sporting code during two meetings between Ryan, Hamilton and the stewards.
The FIA announced the five charges are as follows:
- on 29 March, 2009, told the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix that no instructions were given to Hamilton in Car No. 1 to allow Trulli in Car no. 9 to pass when both cars were behind the safety car, knowing this statement to be untrue;
- procured its driver Hamilton the current world champion, to support and confirm this untrue statement to the stewards;
- although knowing that as a direct result of its untrue statement to the stewards, another driver and a rival team had been unfairly penalised, made no attempt to rectify the situation either by contacting the FIA or otherwise;
- on 2 April, 2009, at a second hearing before the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix, (meeting in Malaysia) made no attempt to correct the untrue statement of 29 March but, on the contrary, continued to maintain that the statement was true, despite being allowed to listen to a recording of the team instructing Hamilton to let Trulli past and despite being given more than one opportunity to correct its false statement;
- on 2 April, 2009, at the second stewards' hearing, procured its driver Hamilton to continue to assert the truth of the false statement given to the stewards on 29 March, while knowing that what he was saying to the stewards was not true.
Article 151c states that a breach of the rules will take place following "Any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally."
McLaren's latest WMSC hearing will be the second time in under two years it has appeared charged with breaking Article 151c after being found guilty of being in possession of confidential Ferrari information in the 'Spygate' scandal in 2007.
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Post by blacktulip on Apr 7, 2009 18:53:02 GMT
Though what happened is not right one must ask the question had it been Ferrari involved what would have been the outcome
Part of the problem is that the FIA and the in there pocket stewards are still miffed that there precious Ferrari team got beaten last season by McLaren
From several remarks that the ringmaster has made we know he is no fan of either McLaren or Lewis hamilton
The sooner the FIA is disbanded and new management take over we will see better and fair play
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Post by blacktulip on Apr 7, 2009 18:54:25 GMT
More from F1 on ITV
McLaren has confirmed that sporting director Dave Ryan has left the team following his suspension for lying to race stewards.
Ryan, a stalwart at the team having risen up the ranks since joining the Woking squad in 1974, was suspended by Martin Whitmarsh at Sepang last Friday after Australian Grand Prix stewards adjudged he and Lewis Hamilton had provided “deliberately misleading” evidence to them when asked to explain the team’s instructions to Hamilton under the safety car in Melbourne.
Now following the announcement that McLaren will be hauled before the FIA to answer charges of bringing the sport into disrepute, the team has said that it has parted company with Ryan.
“This afternoon McLaren and its former sporting director, Dave Ryan, have formally parted company,” a McLaren statement read.
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Post by blacktulip on Apr 7, 2009 18:57:59 GMT
Its only a matter of time befor the knife goes in on Brawn and Toyota
BMW Sauber boss Mario Theissen has fired a fresh salvo in the diffuser controversy – saying the FIA must take “urgent action” in clarifying their legality to ensure the sport is not damaged by “meaningless” results.
The German also claims Formula 1's cost-cutting drive has been “torpedoed” by the fact that teams not running the same ‘double-decker’ designs are being forced to develop them, with the diffusers also only helping push cornering speeds back up.
Early season-pacesetters Brawn, Toyota and Williams have raised the ire of their rivals after all taking a different interpretation of the 2009 regulations regarding the diffuser at the rear of their cars.
And with the alternative designs appearing to offer a clear performance advantage, the season’s first two races have seen protests against the trio’s cars by first Ferrari, Red Bull and Renault in Australia and then BMW last weekend in Malaysia.
Although race stewards declared on each occasion that the cars were legal, the four protesting teams will now take their grievances to the FIA’s International Court of Appeal on April 14 – where another green light to the diffusers from the governing body will force the rest of the grid to adopt them.
What this means is certain teams are crying in the pit lane because they are getting beaten by better cars
What happened to sportsmanship !!!!!!!!!
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Post by blacktulip on Apr 7, 2009 19:00:27 GMT
The FIA are now spoiling F1 for everybody, Teams Drivers, Fans
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Post by gizzy on Apr 7, 2009 22:49:10 GMT
This witch hunt has gone way over the top.
FIA throwing it's weight around, and is being far too political. There hate for McLaren is obvious.
Stop trying to skew the results, send massive fines, rewrite the finish order, stir the pot, cause trouble, and piss off all the fans.
Lewis apologised for his screw up. Now they make his chief Engineer resign. The Vettel penalty thing was too much, and aren't we getting sick of all this crap?
Micromanaging every aspect of any enterprise destroys it. King Bernie wants to rule with an iron fist. Is power going to the little guy's head?
Can't wait for the official court decision on the diffuser issue. Are they going to throw out 1/3 of the cars finish points? I'm about to vomit.
Great promotion of the sport, when many people are abandoning it due to this type of crap.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2009 6:56:35 GMT
All this fuss about the diffusers - they have the option to put one on their car too if they want. So instead of mithering about it - try one instead!
What about the cars that have KERS? They have an advantage but no one seems to be complaining about that.
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Post by sushimo on Apr 8, 2009 8:03:43 GMT
Every year now for the last 35 years, I have looked forward to the new F1 season with enthusiasm, but the last few have filled me with dread. I do actually get to thinking (for a nanposecond) that this season all will be fine - but it vanishes in the ether of the first race aftermath.
I so wish, fervently, that there will be a breakaway sector from the F1 circus. Problem is, money may be tighter this year, but surely they can do a better job than this bunch of clowns?
This 'sport' is fast becoming one big joke.
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Post by blacktulip on Apr 8, 2009 17:33:29 GMT
Ive been saying that for a few years, at some point I think most of the teams will form there own F1 circus and then the FIA can have the red team all to themselves
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Post by fraggle on Apr 8, 2009 20:06:50 GMT
I think wasn't it Jake that summed it up very well at Malaysia when he said that where F1 counts is "out on the track".
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Post by fizzycola on Apr 8, 2009 21:38:34 GMT
Ok so worst scenario is :-
McLaren get banned
Brawn, Toyota and Williams get their wins/points taken away
It's Trulli (ha ha pun intended, have to try have some light relief) time teams really need to break away from the FIA sooner rather than later
fizzy
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Post by apache on Apr 9, 2009 14:16:29 GMT
well if bernie gets his way there will be no mclaren any more,think of all the jobs left. bernie has been gunning for rons team for years. i wonder how many times the fia members have lied and been found out. i hear there is ni inquiry into sundays debacle about the time of the race,that will be brushed under the carpet. bernie can sit on a pole
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Post by minardi2000 on Apr 9, 2009 14:23:24 GMT
fizzy, don't forget that the Ferrari and Red Bull will be looked at after Williams protested about their side pods, the FIA are going to look at that on 14th April too...so why could also get their points taken away...ok Ferrari have no points to take away but you get my point!
I agree about the break away, the time is now!
minardi2000
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Post by sushimo on Apr 11, 2009 11:30:16 GMT
...so why could also get their points taken away...ok Ferrari have no points to take away but you get my point! minardi2000 Well, that's OK then! It's probably just because Ferrari have no points that they can have a go at Ferrari & Red Bull too, so that's just Red Bull then?  |
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Post by blacktulip on Apr 11, 2009 12:47:43 GMT
Yea Bernie and co want Ferrari to win every race and championship, remember they pay Ferrari more than other teams, so the whole thing stinks
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