New Championship points system.

[apedant]

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7948455.stm

The BBC is reporting that a new system is to come in where the championship will be decided firstly on the basis of number of wins, with the existing scoring system continuing only as a tie-breaking system.

I think I'm with Brundle on this one, we'll have to see how it works, it could be great, or it could fall flat. The idea it seems is to encourage people to have a lunge at an overtake. I can see that it might take the point out of making any effort to secure 2nd or 3rd after a poor start.

[jap2uk]

The idea is ok. Its just the thing with points i dont like. You finish top of the table and 1 less win than rivals u dont get championship.

[ukautospark]

What an absolutely ludicrous idea, since when has being champion just been about winning the most races? Does this mean a driver that finishes every race, 5 in first and the rest in second finishes behind a driver that only finishes 6 races and wins them all? Barmy if you ask me!

Next thing ya know Formula one will be a knockout competition like the FA cup!! or beating the current champ to a race win will hand the crown over like in Boxing!!

Why Oh Why do they have to keep fiddling about with what in esscence is a good system for determing champ I will never know.

Mike

[knightelcid]

I am totally against it. In my opinion it is a very unfair rule.
Let's say you finished in the top 3 for most of the season. Your car hasn't had mechanical problems and let's also say your KERS has worked wonders. In the other hand let's say there is a team that had problems with the car and didn't finish 3 races and in other 4 races did finish but without earning any points. During those 7 races the team has scored 0 points then out of the blue the team is able to win the last 6 races. It is just an example but I think it is a bunch of crap!!!. I mean, the team that has been shown a good season will be penalized and the one that hasn't been consistent will be awarded with the title. I think most fans will see this new point system unfair, I know the drivers have already shown discontent about it. Heck, I know of a team that if they keep up their fantasctic pre-season
they wont even have to start the race in Australia...by winning the last 7 races they problably will have enough to win the titles. Rubish!.

So, I found this new website. It is called: Cancel the FIA approved WDC selection criteria for F1 World Championship 2009. Here is the link:
www.thepetitionsite.com/1/cancel-the-fia-approved-wdc-selection-criteria-for-f1-world-championship-2009

I already signed. It wont mean much to Bernie but at least I tried.

[knightelcid]

Not only that, the championship could be decided half way during the season. What the heck, we are talking about a driver winning the title with less points than the runner up. This is sooo....

[minardi2000]

I hate the idea, can see how it could work, but what a mouith full it will be to explaine...."so Massa has 100 points and leads the points table, but as he has only won 2 races to Alonso's 4 and Alonso has only 40 pooints but as Alonso has won more races he is leading the championship"......how the hell are new fans going to understand that!

2009 was shaping up to be a good year and now the FIA have already killed part of it off.....thanks!

Minardi200o :-(

[raikkofan]

This decision devalues the points championship. However, it may make each imdividual race more exciting and place more value on each race week to week. Personally, I think Bernie and Max should be horsewhipped, but that wouldn't solve anything. And Max would only enjoy it.

[blacktulip]

must say I am less than happy with this new points system, cant see how its going to help or enhance F1

[knightelcid]

They are killing the sport, that's what they are doing.

[gizzy]

Let say a certain guy wins a bunch of races early on in the season. Maybe some red team a few years ago? He could presumably sit out a couple of races, or just finish the championship early in the season.

Recently, the championship was decided on the last race. Or, the last lap of the last race. A big team could sit out or sandbag the last few races if they piled up points (wins) early on.

I say go back to the old rules and give a couple more points to the winner. Do you want to see a dud of a race that is meaningless for the last few sessions? Or an exciting end to the season battle with multiple teams fighting to the end???

[blacktulip]

Like last season we want to see it fought out to the final whistle, cant see this new system make the season mor exciting, as you say gizzy this championship could well be a farce

[blacktulip]

A quote on ITV sport by the one with stunted growth

F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone has welcomed the decision to award the world championship to the driver who scores the most race victories – and is convinced the change will lead to more overtaking at the front of the field.

The FIA’s World Motor Sport Council ratified the most radical change to the drivers’ title race in the sport’s history on Tuesday, with the championship for the first time to no longer be determined by points but the number of wins.

The change is broadly based on the Olympic-style medal proposal put forward by Ecclestone towards the end of last year – a system under which the driver racking up the most ‘golds’ (wins) at the end of the season would become champion – in a bid to stop title contenders settling for solid points finishes.

And while ‘medals’ won't be introduced, Ecclestone believes the governing body is on the right track with the change and that the decision to scrap the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 points distribution in determining the champion (unless drivers are tied on wins) will force drivers to take more risks.

[barman9]

What worries me about it is the fact of " it will encourage drivers to go for it" and then what ? be disqualified for overtaking at the wrong place.

Also does this mean absolutely NO team orders whatsoever?


barman9

[fizzycola]

It's just so strange this is.

The points system worked perfectly fine and fairly before so why change it?

I'll bet money on this daft new rule lasts one season.

Crazy!

fizzy

[knightelcid]

EVERYBODY check this out. This is the list of all the F1 drivers and their hypothetical titles if they had raced under the NEW CHAMPIONSHIP SYSTEM:


Michael Schumacher 7 1994/1995/2000/2001/2002/2003/2004
Juan Manuel Fangio 5 1951/1954/1955/1956/1957
Alain Prost 5 1981/1983/1984/1985/1993
Jim Clark 4 1963/1964/1965/1967
Ayrton Senna 4 1988/1989/1990/1991
Jack Brabham 3 1959/1960/1966
Jackie Stewart 3 1969/1971/1973
Nigel Mansell 3 1986/1987/1992
Alberto Ascari 2 1952/1953
Graham Hill 2 1962/1968
Emerson Fittipaldi 2 1972/1974
Alan Jones 2 1979/1980
Mika Hakkinen 2 1998/1999
Fernando Alonso 2 2005/2006
Guiseppe Farina 1 1950
Stirling Moss 1 1958
Phil Hill 1 1961
Jochen Rindt 1 1970
Niki Lauda 1 1975
Didier Pironi 1 1982
Damon Hill 1 1996
Jacques Villeneuve 1 1997
Kimi Raikkonen 1 2007
Felipe Massa 1 2008

[knightelcid]

Let me rephrase that, most titles would have stayed the same but under the new system, LW would have not won his WDC.

[apedant]

...In other words, there was no problem. It wasn't broke, so why are we fixing it?

[blacktulip]

As we can all see from other threads its not just we the fans who dislike this, but also many of the drivers and teams are againt this change as well

[WickedPlans]

What an utterly rubbish idea.
The person who wins most races could end up 5th in the points!
How would it work for the team championship?
Seems like they are trying to manipulate the results before the season even starts.

Looks like they are having to rethink it at least
www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/f1-world-title-rule-scrapped-1650402.html

[apedant]

BBC reports that the introduction is delayed until 2010 news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7955790.stm
...and may be re-thought totally.

[ukautospark]

Common Sense prevails...........................................for now

[knightelcid]

Thank God for FOTA and the regulations:

FOTA-article 199

c) Sporting rules and other regulations

Changes to sporting rules and to all regulations other than
those referred to in b) above are published at least 20 days
prior to the opening date for entry applications for the
championship concerned, but never later than 30 November
each year. Such changes cannot come into effect before
1 January of the year following their publication, unless the
FIA considers that the changes in question are likely to have
a substantial impact on the technical design of the vehicle
and/or the balance of performance between the cars, in
which case they will come into effect no earlier than
1 January of the second year following their publication.
d) Shorter notice periods than those mentioned in b) and
c) may be applied, provided that the unanimous agreement
of all competitors properly entered for the championship or
series concerned is obtained.

[susieq]

So is the points system staying as it is? Too close to the start of the season to be messing around

[knightelcid]

Yes, drivers will be racing under the 'old' point score system :-)

[knightelcid]

But FIA said they will try to pass the new system in 2010 :-(

[blacktulip]

Good news indeed both for fans and the drivers

Once again the FIA have been caught with their trusers down so to speak

[knightelcid]

I am very afraid this drama is not over yet. Bernie has said that the drivers will not be able to stop the new point system next year. He said that the winner will be the one that wins the most races. In the other hand, 'Mad' Max has said and I quote: "Bernie told me that he had spoken with all the teams and that they all agreed with the new system".

This is becoming a joke. How can somebody make such a drastic and radical change and no consulting the teams, drivers, sponsors and fans...I mean..what the heck is this sport coming to. The worst thing is that I don't see BE retiring from the sport any time soon.

[blacktulip]

But the sport could retier without Bernie or Max!
If all the teams formed there own association bernie and max would be out in the cold

[oglethorpe]

All they had to do was return to a larger point gap between 1st and second place...thus no driving around in 2nd like lewis has to win the championship...The 10-8 system was made to make it harder for Mike to win......points should be as follows....12-8-7-5-4-3-2-1...Ogie